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This article wrote fully by ismaili's and is not available in arabic or persian where all of shia articles have arabic and persian translations that is because there are no arab or persian ismaili there there arab and persian shia's .. so this article must be gruoped as ismaili article --84.255.174.29 (talk) 15:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All I got out of your statement is that it is Ismaili, which it is not. Read the article: it's a Twelver and Ismaili idea, written by Muhammad al-Baqir and expanded by Musa al-Kazim, who is not an Ismaili Imam; in fact, he was the direct opposition to Ismail ibn Muhammad's Imamate.

Read Mohammad Ali Amir MOEZZI (1994): The Divine Guide in Early Shiʻism: The Sources of Esotericism in Islam, Albany: State University of New York Press, p. 6, ISBN 079142121X - that book is about 12erism, not Ismailism. Ogress _smash! 02:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stop vandalising the page because you have a personal dislike of Ismailis. I'm sorry you don't like Ismailis, but it doesn't change al-Baqir's foundational work nor its expansion by Musa al-Kazim. It's a central tenet for Imami Muslims, 12er and Ismaili alike: it's the definition of why the Imamate exists. Ogress _smash! 04:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In fact this article belongs to my father, who invented this term, and immensely contributed to its development. Mosesheron (talk) 22:28, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Humor aside, I made some efforts to make the article more relatable to the mainstream Islamic perspective, given that the concept discussed is a cornerstone of Islam. Sometimes I really feel sorry for my community. Anyway, thanks. Mosesheron (talk) 18:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]