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Mentioned in the media as the last wiki article, alphabetically. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2427262&page=2. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be an ongoing edit war regarding this article, with no sign of agreement, so I have protected the page. Please continue your discussion over the validity of the edits on this page, so others can contribute. --Oscarthecat 16:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have invited users User:Earthelemental99 and User:DCincarnate invited to discuss here. --Oscarthecat 16:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DCincarnate, please let this article go its proper course. I can't let all of my work and the work of so many others before me on this article go to waste! We worked very hard to make this article so much better than it was before. The pictures I uploaded to Wikipedia in good faith should not be orphaned from the article they belong to, just because you alone think they "distract from the text." They don't. Other people do approve of and probably enjoy the pictures I have included in the article for a full month now. They should stay. The pictures are there for the reason of improving the article and making the long hours I spent working on this article and many others worthwhile. Rudeness to prove a point is against the rules of Wikipedia. Please keep all of these things under consideration. Thanks. Earthelemental99 17:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What you just said Earthelemental99 proves how little you actually know about Wikipedia. I honestly don't care how many hours you've spent uploading these images (neither does it actually matter), the only thing I care about is this article, and you are cluttering it up with all these images. Having images from nearly every one of Zzzax's appearances is beyond excessive. You need to learn a thing or two about images. Wikipedia is NOT a fashion show. -- DCincarnate

I strongly disagree with both of the changes. In the first, Earthelemental99 linked years and common terms in this article (e.g. "personality" and "1973") — WP:LINK and WP:DATE strongly discourage such changes, since those aren't particularly useful and relevant in context. In the second, Earthelemental99 added multiply fair use image of comics covers throughout the article — this, in addition to being overwhelmingly decorative, violates Wikipedia's fair use criteria by using fair use images for non-significant purposes (neither identifying the subject of the article, nor specifically illustrating relevant points or sections within the text). Hopefully quick consensus could be made to unprotect it and reverse the changes prior to the original expiration date. Thanks. Michaelas¹⁰ 20:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Enthusiasm for characters is a fine thing, but Wikipedia is not a fan site. I suggest studying the entry for the Bi-Beast - it is appropriate in terms of image use and length for a less-known villain with only a few appearances such as Zzzax. I'm happy to offer up a rewrite, and then throw to the floor for feedback. This is not an insurmountable obstacle - the information just has to be presented a certain way. Regards Asgardian 21:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also agree with points raised by Michaelas10. Are we able to agree on this and unprotect the article, without entering into another edit war? --Oscarthecat 23:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've submitted an unprotection request as a party of the conflict. Michaelas¹⁰ 17:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, it seems like we are headed down the same path. The issue here as I see it is that these additional images do not meet the fair use standard. While it would be nice to have a gallery of images to use for each comics article, its just not allowed. If there is some fair use justification for having these additional images, e.g., the Spider-Man black suit costume where it actually generated a series of storylines, then we could use them. But I can't imagine that there's fair use justification for ALL of those images. --GentlemanGhost 08:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. If people simply revert back to preferred versions it is self-defeating. Again, a lesser known villain only needs one image. I'll keep working on the text.

Asgardian 09:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring has stopped now, although any editing against consensus will not result in a further protection. Michaelas¹⁰ 17:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as pictures go, I agree that there are too many. But couldn't all or most of the pictures be put into a table at the botoom of the page?--Tempest115 13:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, no. To quote the WikiProject Comics guideline on how to use images within the comics articles, "All fair use images must be used as a part of a commentary on the material in question; it is not acceptable to use fair use images for mere decoration." --GentlemanGhost 17:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What if they had their own section, like "The history of Zzzax" or something?--Tempest115 18:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, no, it needs a better justification than that. Otherwise, we are exceeding the bounds of what constitutes fair use. An example of justifying the use of a secondary article image can be found here. --GentlemanGhost 19:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:H 04302005 0018.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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Dear friends please think: the character was planned in a early script for this film but after merged with the characters of Absorbing Man and Brian Banner (David Banner in the film). Stop revert. It doesn't matter if he appeared or not. "Non-trivial appeareance" my foots.--2800:484:7380:AAB0:BD17:AC1E:86D3:6F9F (talk) 18:14, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]