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While I understand the desire to illustrate to the reader who the prospective players of the rating qualifiers are, is not the table pretty much original research, coupled with the use of live ratings, one of the big things to avoid in this WikiProject? I know there is a page by Martin Bennedik which calculates it already. It is citable and is perhaps a better alternative. Jkmaskell (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
The section "Broadcast restrictions" seems to be unnecessarily long. Is this really that relevant to the 2016 World Chess Championship? I don't think so. Calistemon (talk) 22:43, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Why are the standings for Candidates not in order ? Karjakin has 1 and a half points and he should be right there with Anand, yet he is in the middle. 94.155.238.11 (talk) 12:39, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. It's absolutely fine. I was just curious if they were sorted by something or not. Maybe every rest day the column can get sorted based on the actual standings ? Once every 3-4 days. Regards 94.155.238.11 (talk) 17:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Pos | Team | Pld | Pts | KAR | ARO | ANA | GIR | CAR | SVI | NAK | TOP | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Sergey Karjakin (RUS) (2760) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
2 | Levon Aronian (ARM) (2786) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
3 | Vishwanathan Anand (IND) (2762) | 3 | 2 | ½ | — | ½ | 1 | |||||
4 | Anish Giri (NED) (2793) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
5 | Fabiano Caruana (USA) (2794) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
6 | Peter Svidler (RUS) (2757) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | — | ½ | ½ | |||||
7 | Hikaru Nakamura (USA) (2790) | 3 | 1 | 0 | ½ | ½ | — | |||||
8 | Veselin Topalov (BUL) (2780) | 3 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 | ½ | — |
I like that. If it won't be a big problem to do that, I think it gives a clearer idea on the standings. I don't know, I think it might be just me, but the standings, right now, looks like a mess lol I mean rank is random, rating is random, players aren't even alphabetically sorted, results are random, it doesn't seem right when you look at it 94.155.238.11 (talk) 17:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
PS - How are the players sorted if they are tied ? 94.155.238.11 (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Pos | Player | Pld | Pts | KAR | ARO | ANA | GIR | CAR | SVI | NAK | TOP | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Sergey Karjakin (RUS) (2760) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
2 | Levon Aronian (ARM) (2786) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
3 | Vishwanathan Anand (IND) (2762) | 3 | 2 | ½ | — | ½ | 1 | |||||
4 | Anish Giri (NED) (2793) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
5 | Fabiano Caruana (USA) (2794) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
6 | Peter Svidler (RUS) (2757) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | — | ½ | ½ | |||||
7 | Hikaru Nakamura (USA) (2790) | 3 | 1 | 0 | ½ | ½ | — | |||||
8 | Veselin Topalov (BUL) (2780) | 3 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 | ½ | — |
There is a possibility to give two players same positions, which could be used when there are no current tiebreakers. Just use |pos_TTT=
(where TTT is the players shortening). For example:
Pos | Player | Pld | Pts | KAR | ARO | ANA | GIR | CAR | SVI | NAK | TOP | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Sergey Karjakin (RUS) (2760) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
1 | Levon Aronian (ARM) (2786) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
1 | Vishwanathan Anand (IND) (2762) | 3 | 2 | ½ | — | ½ | 1 | |||||
4 | Anish Giri (NED) (2793) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
4 | Fabiano Caruana (USA) (2794) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
4 | Peter Svidler (RUS) (2757) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | — | ½ | ½ | |||||
7 | Hikaru Nakamura (USA) (2790) | 3 | 1 | 0 | ½ | ½ | — | |||||
8 | Veselin Topalov (BUL) (2780) | 3 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 | ½ | — |
If you need any help with module, just let me know. Qed237 (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
One player plays against every other player twice but there is not enough space in the results column, and you can't tell if they had the white pieces or the black pieces. Do you think this can be changed ? 94.155.238.11 (talk) 23:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Actually that's how it is on the official website, so im not sure how they are gonna do it either 94.155.238.11 (talk) 23:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Pos | Player | Pld | Pts | ANA | ARO | KAR | GIR | CAR | SVI | NAK | TOP | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Vishwanathan Anand (IND) (2762) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
1 | Levon Aronian (ARM) (2786) | 3 | 2 | ½ | — | ½ | 1 | |||||
3 | Sergey Karjakin (RUS) (2760) | 3 | 2 | — | ½ | ½ | 1 | |||||
4 | Anish Giri (NED) (2793) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
4 | Fabiano Caruana (USA) (2794) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | ½ | — | ½ | |||||
6 | Peter Svidler (RUS) (2757) | 3 | 1.5 | ½ | — | ½ | ½ | |||||
7 | Hikaru Nakamura (USA) (2790) | 3 | 1 | 0 | ½ | ½ | — | |||||
8 | Veselin Topalov (BUL) (2780) | 3 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 | ½ | — |
Would this suit? Calistemon (talk) 23:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I think this suits perfectly. Thanks for your effort Calistemon! 94.155.238.11 (talk) 12:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Personally I really don't like this new table with the black and white boxes. I find it ugly and hard on the eyes, but that is of course a matter of taste and I can certainly live with it. But more importantly: I had made the "old" wikitable sortable, only to come back and find it reverted by an anonoymous(!) user. I don't see the problem, and the reverter clearly had not understood how sortable tables work. Why not just make the table sortable, so the rows don't have to be moved around manually? Apparently you can't make this new "sports table" sortable (as far as I can see), but it seems to me that the best solution would be to keep the old style table and just make it sortable... dllu (talk) 13:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
PET | KER | GEL | FIS | KOR | BEN | TAL | FIL | Total | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Tigran Petrosian (USSR) | – | ½½½½ | ½½½½ | ½1½½ | ½½11 | ½½1½ | 11½− | ½11½ | 17½ |
2= | Paul Keres (USSR) | ½½½½ | – | ½½½½ | 0½1½ | ½½1½ | 1110 | 1½1− | ½11½ | 17 |
2= | Efim Geller (USSR) | ½½½½ | ½½½½ | – | 11½0 | ½½1½ | ½½½1 | ½11− | ½11½ | 17 |
4 | Bobby Fischer (USA) | ½0½½ | 1½0½ | 00½1 | – | 010½ | 01½1 | ½1½− | 1½1½ | 14 |
5 | Viktor Korchnoi (USSR) | ½½00 | ½½0½ | ½½0½ | 101½ | – | ½½½0 | 10½− | 1111 | 13½ |
6 | Pal Benko (USA) | ½½0½ | 0001 | ½½½0 | 10½0 | ½½½1 | – | 10½− | 011½ | 12 |
7= | Mikhail Tal (USSR) | 00½− | 0½0− | ½00− | ½0½− | 01½− | 01½− | – | 10½− | 7 |
7= | Miroslav Filip (TCH) | ½00½ | ½00½ | ½00½ | 0½0½ | 0000 | 100½ | 01½− | – | 7 |
This article is huge, and it's not good that article text is collapsed. I'd suggest moving the whole candidates to its own 2016 article. It's certainly warranted with all the broadcast issues. -Koppapa (talk) 09:43, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
"the official commentators were again not always in the mix on move sequences that had occurred" I don't have much idea what this is supposed to mean. "Not always in agreement"? uh.. I would change it myself, but have no idea what to change it to.
nice article though. this candidates will be remembered for a long time. and not for the chess. 110.20.158.134 (talk) 10:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Where and when is the 2016 World Championship Match being played? Shouldn't this be on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewikibeagles (talk • contribs) 04:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I like the effort being put in to provide context and detail for the article but I think delving into the history of the WC venue is straying from the subject a fair bit. The focus needs to be on the World Championship match. I would suggest the removal of the whole second paragraph from "Venue announcement". Jkmaskell (talk) 12:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Too huge in my opinion, with extreme amounts of detail. Most of the "planning" section can simply be eliminated - they happened and they're sourced, but they're not important - and the same goes for much of the "match preparation". Within the game sections themselves, sentences such as "Although Karjakin departed the playing area first, he was made to wait since the interviewer wanted them in the opposite order, causing some distress after a fatiguing battle" are simply irrelevant. If there are no objections, I'll go ahead with some major trimming. Banedon (talk) 07:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't think we should be making this kind of editorial comment, and gms' twitters are not a reliable source, especially when the intention is clearly humorous. MaxBrowne (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand why the ages are listed, both for the players and for the Candidates. Ratings and Federations make sense, but age? ChessFan64 (talk) 01:40, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Personally, I don't see why this is on the page. Why not just give the results, and the link to the page for the Candidates? It seems to be that previous World Championship pages did not separate out the Candidates, and so included all preceding information too. ChessFan64 (talk) 01:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
specially with carlsen losing. when anand lost, the next championship was held the next year even though it is rarely held every year. 84.212.111.156 (talk) 01:25, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
I notice that all the information about the entire Agon move censorship controversy has been removed, apart from a cryptic reference to Agon's "new broadcast model". There is NO mention anywhere I can see of the following pieces of information relevant to the match:
1. That Agon attempted to censor the moves of the WCC 2016 (then later allowed live move transmission on other websites, but only through the embeddable Agon transmission widget and only with the websites forbidden to issue their own independent live commentary) 2. That sites such as Chess24 ignored Agon's legal threats and broadcasted the moves 3. That Agon sued Chess24 and ChessGames in a US court for $4.5 million and lost (https://chess24.com/en/read/news/us-judge-agrees-with-chess24-on-chess-moves) 4. That Agon's attempted censorship caused a great controversy in the chess world which many strong and famous players commented on 5. That Agon attempted to censor the live footage of the players 6. That the footage censorship also generated controversy
I know that this information was in the article. I even wrote and sourced some of it. But now I return the article to the article and I find that it has been discreetly removed. As this information has been repeatedly removed and re-added, I very seriously suspect that employee(s) of Agon or other people with vested interests in protecting Agon's public image are working on this article to remove the information I listed above.
We should make sure that we have all this information in the article. There are citations for all this information on multiple chess news sites, the most notable being Chess24 and Chessbase (I don't think Chess24 saying "Agon sued us and lost" is an unreliable source). I would suggest making a brief reference in the header of the article, such as "The match and its leadup were dogged by controversy as Agon attempted and failed to force websites to refrain from broadcasting the moves of the games live with independent commentary in order to promote their own exclusive pay-for-view live broadcast. Agon also did not release a free broadcast (live or otherwise) of the footage of the players playing the match. In comparison, Agon authorised live transmission of the moves and footage in the 2013 and 2014 World Championship matches."
We should also make a new top-level (because it has continued past the lead-up to the match) section and call it something like "Agon broadcast controversy". We can put all the relevant in-depth information about the controversy which I have listed above into this section, where it will all be easy to find and read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.7.50.146 (talk) 08:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
I've removed the organisation / sponsorship information out of the lead, into an "organization and location" subsection. This article should be in "In The News" after the match is complete, and I think it's important to have a lead which is interesting to the lay reader. Most people don't care about the organiser or the prizemoney, so it doesn't belong in the lead. Adpete (talk) 22:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
There is a LOT of press on the final position of the final tie break, and I suspect it's destined to become famous. So I've added it to the lead. In both of my browsers it takes up no extra space - it sits in white space below the infobox and to the right of the lead. If in some browsers it makes the article really ugly, feel free to remove it. But I think it adds something. Adpete (talk) 03:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
--IHTS (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2017 (UTC)The final tie-break game concluded with a surprising queen sacrifice by Carlsen which sparked much commentary.
are we going to mention that the queen sac is NECESSARY like any other move is necessarily completely losing and not merely drawish or slightly losing? Thewriter006 (talk) 21:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)